Man.. Aoki is just too good with his submissions

r u fuct ? Penn would knock the fuck out of Aoki

Penn is nowhere near as slick with subs as Aoki is, stop kidding yourself. I think Penn’s defensive Jits is good enough to stop Aoki’s sub attempts and his standup would level Aoki but Penn’s offensive Jits is nowhere near as good as Aoki’s.

I think its odd that anyone thinks Penn would destroy Aoki… i see things going the opposite way, I can’t see Penn dealing with Aoki’s ground at all…

As far as “pure” Jits Maia is better than Aoki but as far as how both of their ground games translate to MMA I think Aoki is the better, slicker submissionist. What sets Aoki’s subs apart from anyone elses is how slick he is and how good he is at baiting people into doing what he wants then planting on the sub.

Kind of like how Fedor is very slick with his submissions, they just kind of come out of left field so you’re not ready for them and as soon as you realize what’s going on it’s usually too late.

IMO MMA should be fought on a huge mat like in grappling tournaments. The sport should be about the “Art” and should not have hinderences such a Cage, a Ring or those slippery logos the UFC uses (because they don’t get their sponsors far enough in advance to sew the logos into the mat) which have absolutely nothing to do with the actual art of fighting. The Cage was only designed in the first place to have a visual appeal since it was a brand new sport unlike anything. Now it invites boring lnp wrestlers and cage stalling as well as the hinderence of someone being able to pin your head against the cage and rain down strikes. A mat would eliminate the hinderences and would allow for much better viewing for the people who are watching it live at the venue because the Ring and Cage obstruct your view.

I agree with you Baz on Penn’s boxing being far superior to Aoki’s standup, but I’m not sure how much it really matters… I can’t see Penn knocking out Aoki in just a punch or two, and Aoki has a strange way of taking a few hits and ALWAYS landing on top… Thats where I think he’d end it without much trouble…

I’m trying to be unbiased, but I’m not sure if I’m succeeding… I have to admit that I don’t like Penn’s personality, and I hate to say it but maybe I’m just being hopeful with my prediction…

@bishplace I believe that what you said is totally true. and just to go with the same as Baz about strategy i would REALLY love to see an hybrid between ring and cage.. maybe half part of the “mat” could be a cage-like-wall and the other as a ring.. so if you were better at grappling or stang up, you would always be looking for the center of the mat or the ring part, and if you are a better wrestler you go pushing for the cage side.. it would make it ” As Real As it gets” dont you think? i mean it wouldnt play unfair for any side or art.. it would be about the figther being able to bring up the best of the place for your technique.. just as in a street fight a bigger guy would look for a wall or “car” to push you against and g’n'p you, and a faster stand up fighter would look for teh spaces
well thats my oppinion