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shogun won dat fight without a doubt der no way machida won wat a robbery dana white dis is an outrage

C’mon UFC, learn how to post a video that downloads in less time than the fight takes and doesn’t cut off in the middle . . . sheeesh!

Shogun should of deffinatley won in my opinion. He was landing consistent blows while Lyoto was hiting short bursts. Im really disapointed how the judges scored it but he should be happy no matter how they scored it.

Did you guys notice how silent Joe Rogan was? Man, not sure how the judges scored that but Shogun looked to have landed more shots. I guess for aggression and octagon control went to Lyoto but still that is kind of debatable and no way should it be unanimous decision on that.

Shogun got robbed. It is said that they gave Machida that fight when he was not the aggressor and Shogun clearly punished Machida’s legs. This fight will hurt the UFC because it starting to show a sign of fight fixing, which has eventually hurt boxing.

Shame on this cheating. At some point during fight i already got the feeling one of the commentators knew what would happen… Bravo Shogun you are in ouer Hearts !

one of the commentators already knew the result during fight
Shame on the initiators of this bet rigging

“just by landing leg kicks” is really very stupid. IT is the main “weakness” of Machida having a position where his leg is more vulnerable.
Shogun showed perfect strategy and should have won.
But in sports like this one cheating is a commen thing.
It is like it is , maybe someone punish these Cheaters somehow.

Oh… that was unfair ;/
Shogun should win this. This is business not just fighters “Karate-Kid” “Dragon” it is good advertisment. Machida lost that fight.

sorry guys dont get mad but i lost lot MONEY with Rashad so this time i really wanted to win. Soon u forget about it

B***S***! WTF! Lyoto “PUSSY” Machida won!LOOOL!Boxing, Soccer, whats next in cheatin,? american football!lool!cant believe it!so sorry for shogun!you win and everyone knows it,but the belt goes to the LOOSER!!lol i think i dont watch UFC anymore!its only all about money, tv rights, rematches, ect!fuck dana and fuck hole ufc

BS call…. Shogun won that fight! Im so sick of this bs . It’s gonna cause the end to this sport! Dana needs to start looking for a new job…Maybe soap operas are his new forte.

it was a close enough fight that it could’ve gone either way. shogun looked fresher at the end and landed great leg kicks, but machida landed a better variety of strikes, and was effective and accurate especially with the knees and straight left hand. i felt that shogun won, but he wasn’t robbed. it wasn’t a dominating performance; it was a close fight. it seems to be an unspoken rule that to get a decision in a title fight you have to dominate the champion and lyoto wasn’t dominated or truly beaten. shogun is a tougher fighter and so his face and body don’t show the damage as much as lyoto, but i think both fighters did enough where an argument for their victory could be me made. there should be a rematch and i certainly don’t think lyoto deserved any booes.

I like how Machida lands a fury of punches and then Shogun lands one right and Joe Rogan is like “OH MY GOD DID YOU SEE THAT SHOGUN IS MY HERO.” You should try watching the fight without Joe’s Shogun nut hugging opinions in there, I’m not so sure Rua dominated the fight.

hey who ever says shogun got robbed .watch the fight without sound..than u can c that machida won the fight.i watched it 4 5 times watching it very close.first i had some doubt about it but than second and third time ,it was clear that machida won the fight ……PLS WATCH IT AGAIN..THAN U ILL C .

WATCH THIS FIGHT IN MUTE OR JAPANESE VERSION> MACHIDA CLEARLY WON!

Okay first and foremost, I take back what I said about “Shogun being robbed” and “Shogun winning this fight”.

After watching this fight WITHOUT Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg’s overly exaggerated commentating the fight really told a difference story. It told me that Machida actually controlled this fight from rounds 1-4, with Round 5 going to Shogun.

The leg kicks that were overly emphasized by Joe Rogan told me that the leg kicks really took a major toll on Lyoto Machida and that Shogun controlled the fight because of these kicks. HOWEVER, after seeing this, minus Joe’s overly dramatized groaning I noticed Lyoto was actually almost unphased by the kicks that Shogun was landing and maintained his composure and throughout the fight landing kicks of his own, on top of brutal knees that clearly hurt Shogun, and a flurry of punches, even staggering Shogun and sending him stumbling back several times.

Furthermore, when Shogun pushed forward and tried to land with his flurry of punches, not a single one landed. The only real times Shogun landed were when he got Lyoto in close and grappling.

Based on points, Lyoto Machida did win this fight, and clearly so. I’m disappointed at Joe Rogan and Mike Goldberg’s commentating because all they did was stir up controversy where there was none to be had.

I would love to see a rematch between the two, because even though Lyoto Machida did win this fight, there were still a lot of fans of either fighter not convinced enough about a clear winner.

I think Joe should seriously be spoken to by Dana… There is a certain responsibility to reading a fight properly if you are going to commentate.

Joe Grogan a condom the next time he watches Shogun fight.

Shoguns needs more than leg kicks if he wants to win.

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it was written by a dumbass

If shogun had laid off the kicks and used more punches it could have changed the judges mind.

Wow, a lot of these comments are immature and just plain embarrassing. Shogun lost guys, get over it. Saying that their was cheating and the fight was rigged is a straight up joke. The ufc has nothing to gain from fixing fights and everything to lose, so quit making urself look bad. Good fight tho, machida’s legs are gonna be sore for weeks!

Shogun overused the leg kicks. He needed to press the issue to at least attempt a dominance via knockout.

How would you judge a fight if Shogun punched Machida’s arms all day? It would look outright silly. Same goes with the leg kicks. No killer instinct. You want to give Shogun the championship based on that? Silly!

why is everyone in every message board blaming Dana White? lol, he didn’t decide who won, blame the judges. the judges DO NOT work for the UFC in any way shape or form, nor do the referees. for this fight and the Cain fight people act like Dana was in there and called a stop to the Cain fight, and as if at the end of the shogan/machida fight they say, “Dana… who won?” and Dana White makes the decision. he’s just a promoter, and he does a great job of promoting, he doesn’t assign the refs or the judges, they’re completely independent of the UFC. be mad, but blame the right people.

you know what i realized when i watched this fight? the same thing that hopefully a lot of you will think about….this fight was really boreing i mean for a champion with all his hype and shogun with all his hype…this fight sucked compared to what everyone says these fighters can do. leg kicks and a few punches the rest was blocked and dodged…oh and dana white says clearly, and its known to all the fighters if you dont want to lose via a decision submit or knock out your oponet dont complain.

BULL! I watched 3 times, one with sound, twice with no sound, i DO agree that Shogun used to many leg kicks! after round 3 Machidas legs were DEAD, SHOGUN’S corner should have told him to go in for the take down or attack his head, they were content by worrying about decision.

As far as Machida….disappointment!! his frequency of attacks was LOW, he was tired since late round 2 and lost his bounce to his legs so he was very FLAT and immobilized. You can even see when they clinch for a quick second, he did not do his normal knees to the body because 1. he was DESPERATELY trying to AVOID getting hit in his body anymore so he did not fight his gameplan after round 1 AT ALL.

I say I would give it to SHOGUN:
1. He made the big bad champion UNABLE to follow his game plan after the first round

2. He was virtually un touched or hurt in the whole fight besides like one knee, he stayed fresh, he was semi aggresive and he COMPLETELY disabled the champion.

3. He landed more strikes and did more damage(in my opinion)

4. NEVER NEVER NEVER have i seen a Boxer or MMA fighter in his prime have his head hung low at decision time to indicate he was unsure if he won or not, that’s a BIG indication of how the fight TRULY went no matter who the commenter is.

5. on the opposite end, it is true though that you must be more dominant or knock the champ out to take his belt, im a big boxing and mma fan. It has been done before by decision but, on average whether they cheat or not, if it is close, it seems to ALWAYS be scored by the judges where the champion has a 1 point advantage over the challenger if no domination or knock down.

I look forward to a rematch, it DEFINITELY HAS TO HAPPEN!!

p.s. did you hear the end of the fight? reason number #101 Machida SHOULD NOT have won is because the other top light heavy weight is next in line to fight the champ. If Machida and Silva vow to NEVER fight each other then what kinda gay ish is that? Where im from and based on my favorite fighters, its an honor to fight your close friend to truly see who wins, at the end of the day the respect and love remains. Ultimate fighter is a business, not a dating center!!

Like comment 50 says, the judges aren’t provided by dana or the ufc, so how anyone can blame them is ridiculous. I thought it was a close fight, but imo shogun should have got the win./

shogun dominated all five rounds and inflicted more damage on machida than vice versa. All this bullshit about joe rogan is retarded. Shogun won.

Exactly, the crowd knew it too, they had no joe rogan rambling on about the power of shoguns leg kicks to tell them who won.

OHHHH i forgot about that fight!! Forrest did win with those banging Leg kicks to Rampage and took the title!!! Yeaaaaaah, what are your excuses now since it just happened to Rampage not to long ago?

I hate judges……period, you see how many times Bernard Hopkins has been screwed by them and other fighters in other sports? Shogun knows the business like we do, she in fight #2 he BETTER go for a knock down and/or knock out after round 3 if he can take Machidas legs out again and make him lose all motivation to do any moving.

Melee, why don’t you try reading other comments first – ufc don’t provide the refs or judges, dana himself said the result was bogus…

Forrest did alot more that went along with his legkicks: more aggressive and even attempted a submission. his aggression made up for him being knocked down. Shogun simply did not do enough to take the belt. Lyoto was not as immobile as Rampage was so the damage was not as noticable.

This is not MORTAL KOMBAT! whoever has most life in them at the end doesnt win.
-point system(shots to the head and body score better)
lol legkicks are looked at like getting punched in the arms.
-submission
-KO
Shogun did not KO or Submit the champ, so he left the judges to score by points.

During the whole fight…
-How many times did Lyoto get hit in the head? 10 ish
-How many times did Lyoto get hit to the body?(not legs)10 ish

-How many times did Shogun get hit in the head? 13punches 2kicks 1knee
-How many times did Shogun get hit to the body? 10knees 5kicks

– i didnt count how many times lyoto got cleanly kicked in the legs obviously. but if someone wants to get back at me with the numbers, dont forget the ones he missed as well.

i like how Shogun tried to create the illusion with his hand gestures after Lyoto tagged him to make it appear that he was not hit. When he was! Each time Shogun did so, the judges saw the clean shots by Lyoto.

The only reason Lyoto might have looked a bit “down” is because He knew it was a really close fight and that it might have gone either way. It was his toughest fight yet And was upset that his performance was not that great.
BUT its a good thing there are judges to count the points for him.
Its like the person who answers all the questions during the course but when test time comes.. he scores less than guy who stayed quiet. He might have looked convincing to everyone but the teacher keeps track!

this makes me think even more than ever that lesnar is on roids and they will fix all his tests to be fine, so he can draw ratings. Dana, if ur gonna fix a fight, at least have the judges score with different numbers than one another hahaha.

shogun should be the new champion. He applied more damage, won 4 rounds, had more octagon control, was clearly the agressor, even though he couldnt get a takedown his striking was beautiful way better than machida and was absolutely sick with the countering shots. Giant fail on your parts judges.

I heard one of these comments say Lyoto had “ring control”, maybe he didn’t watch the fight. Rua had him backing up the entire match. Lyoto didn’t land anything significant, and Rua answered everything that left Lyoto’s hands…. I With the Forrest fight, and now with this crap I’m leaning more and more like UFC is more like WWE…. its all about money and bets. Either way Rua won this pure and simple. It wasn’t even close.

Wow

I cannot believe that the judges gave this to Machida. The one big dollar in this is Dana White. He stole it. He told his paid off judges if it is close give it to Machida. All three judges with the same score—Imagine that, I could only possibly give one round to Machida.

I think the judges only counted head punches. That is the only thing Machida possibly won.

Judge Cecil Peoples states:

“…if you take a look at the judging criteria clean strikes are valued more-so than the quantity of strikes landed. Although Rua threw a lot of low kicks they were not as damaging as Lyotos diverse attack in the earlier rounds which is why I scored the first three rounds for Machida. You have to keep in mind we always the favour the fighter who is trying to finish the fight, and leg kicks certainly don’t do that.”

http://www.cagereport.net/Cecil-Peoples-I-believe-Lyoto-won-the-fight-clearly.html

^^ check out this link.

Lyoto made Shogun follow him. Therefore, Machida dictated where the fight took place or as some call it…

“Octagon Control”

SHOGUN won hands down.

no no no fuck that. lyoto did damn near no damage at all during the fight maybe 3 round, and some of the 1st. You can show me how many kicks were missed or landed, but i still see where Shoguns aggression was more in he later sounds alls i hear on these comments of the lyoto fanboy fanclub is how he badly he beat shogun. one shogun was not out of breath……machida…head down and breathing heavily. And if you say lyoto destroyed Rua…..i say the same rule applies….to be the champ you have to beat the champ. o remain the champ you must decimate you opponent. I have watched this fight more then 5 times and i ave no speakers on my comp so. i duuno what joe and mike were saying.

this was bogus shogun won this fight even lyoto thought he lost. the judges are idiots. i have respect for lyoto but this fight should have gone to shogun.

Ok, here are some commenters that are retarded.

# 74 = Landing 42% of kicks is pretty good you idiot. Especially when Lyoto is the type to keep his distance and always back step whenever his opponent lunges forward. This isn’t freakin Fight Night Round 4, you don’t land 60% of your blows in a fight you retard. In a lot of fights, only about 30-40% of hits actually land.

#79 = So because Lyoto was making Rua follow him, he had “octagon control?” What kind of logic is that!? He was running away. So if Lyoto was just running laps while Rua was chasing after him, does that mean Lyoto has “octagon control?” NO.

Man, this is retarded. At this rate, Lyoto is just going to run away from everyone and retain his title everytime.

I know Lyoto is a great fighter, his reaction time is second-to-none. But his style of fighting makes me think that he doesn’t deserve to be the champ.

Machida won

I felt that Shogun won, but since its a Championship fight, you have to beat the champion, not decision the champion. Shogun was consistent and landed many good kicks on the ribs and legs but Machida was always throwing a counter after getting hit. Counter punching is very affective because it lets the judges know that the blow you just got hit with wasn’t affective. I personally scored it 4-1 in favor of Shogun, but I can’t wait for the rematch!

I think there is an posibility that the outcome off this fight is maby fixt, not by the ufc but maby by the gambeling industrie. there was a lot off money bet on this fight and it was like dana sad a 6 to 1 or something. that means the bookies would lose a lot of money if shogun won the fight. And I think alot of people bet on shogun because of the rates and shogun is the Ex Pride champion it would be a great bed. What do you guys think about this Theory

excuse me for my english writing.

Jacob

I’m not a big fan of any of these guys…so in my objective opinion…shogun WAS robbed. this fight was DEFINATELY shoguns.

Shogun missed alot of those leg kicks and thats what he did for a vast majority of the fight, where as machida hit most of what he threw, Machida won it fair and square.

I had my comments yesterday but somehow they were deleted..
Again,

After watching the fight 3 times and with no volume, I got:

1 round, 10-9 machida
2 round, 10-9 machida
3 round, 10-9 machida
4 round, 10-9 rua
5 round, 10-9 rua
Final points: 48-47 Machida WON!!

Shogun did nothing to beat Machida, no takedowns, many kicks and most of them were skipped and not landed
Machida scored more points because he was more accurate
If you wanna be the champ, then beat the champ!
Hope there’s a rematch soon!!

DUDE OMG MACHIDA face was MESS UP LOL… SHOGUN SHOULD OF WON THAT WAS STUPID AS F**K… F**K the judges S**T SHogun total WON all the rounds…. LOL MACHIDA couldn’t even MOVE…. DAMN Shogun got JACKED and ROBBED F**K the judges…

Dana White is an absolute idiot for saying he thought Shogun won. He should keep his mouth shut regardless of his opinions. Dana is like a little boy sometimes…a little boy who thinks he’s tough. I’d like to see Dana’s sorry self in the cage. Pathetic moron. Anyway, close fight…Shogun probably edged it out in both clean striking and ring control, but barely. Barely is often not enough to take away a title. Maybe not fair, but not exactly a robbery either. Neither fighter look all that great. The UFC would go so much farther if they had a better leader than Dana the little girl White.

^^^^OF THE WORLD!!!!

Congratulations Lyoto Machida!

SHOGUN DESERVED TO WIN!! Definitely got radded out!

Machida Won

The commentators only talk about Shoguns leg kicks but forget about Lyoto punches. Every punching and kicking exchange that happened Machida got at least one punch in, but they only mentioned Shoguns leg kicks.

There are rules to make the score card. And punches add more points than leg kicks. Just like a take down adds more points than punches.

Machida should leave the UFC right now because of Dana’s huge disrispect to him. You can’t say that your actual champion shouldn’t be!!
Really, Dana’s words were a HUGE fuck up, I hope he learns a little bit of respect and how to keep his opinions for himself. Same goes to Joe Rogan, he’s a commentator, so say whatever you want in your twitter, but be a little more neutral doing your job.

SHOGUN WAS ROBBED!!!i am surprised on how this judges got machida all the way bull-crap. i believe there is a fix fighting on UFC hope DANA white has an explanation.o thanks for the video cause i am not paying PPV anymore.

This is B.S. I’m sure Dana White has seen the fight again and realized that Lyoto was the winner. Very technical fight. Was Joe only looking at Shogun’s legs the whole time that he missed Lyotos counters? Main reason for a rematch is because the audience booed, and that didn’t look good for the UFC.

I have to say there are allot of smack talkers on this forum.

they are calling dana, shogun, machida bitches and al that.

this bothers me allot. these three gentelman desirve all respect.
and this is very important for the sport. there is a lack off respect that shows that you are self not a fighter. if you are you should have learned to have some respect.

Aggression is looked at least when scoring a card. 1st > Clean striking 2nd> grappling 3rd> aggression.

Shogun did not employ effective aggression.

Rua did do a good job though. Machida was not in any real danger.

Come on what a robbery. I have been in this stuff 20 years and that was one of clear cut, clean cut robbery.

Im Brazilian and SHOGUN WAS ROBBED!!!

I hate UFC cheater. First They Bought PrideFC with a promise
that they wouldn’t kill it. And on the First Day they kill PrideFc.
Fking UFC Mafia.

shogun won!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the only reason Machida won was the judges felt in order for you to take the title from a champion, you must show your dominant from knocking out or knocking down the champ. In this case, Shogun landed a lot of hard kicks, damaged or not, Machida showed he’s still standing and Shogun is not tough enough to beat him

Solo con ver las peleas de lyoto (aburridas) y compararlas con las peleas de shogun se quien es mejor shogun tiene que haber ganado este combate muxos dicen que las patadas de shogun no hicieron daño pero si no hicieron daño por que lyoto tiene una costilla rota y ni hablemos de la cara
shogun es mucho mejor que lyoto eso es evidente los oponentes de lyoto son muñecas a comparacion de los oponentes que tuvo shogun espero que haya una revancha lo antes posible y se demostrara lo mejor que es shogun
shogun el mejor peleador que eh podido observar

Lyoto was not very well on this figth but he manage to win it.

Keep like that!

SHOTOKAN KARATE RULES MMA!!!

com on open your eyes! almost every leg kick was met with a left or right to the head or a kick.. shogun was a one trick pony and couldnt even get 1 of his 4 failed takedown

btw ‘davein the cage’ … at least shogun tried taking it to the ground. machida knew he woulda got merked on thats why. and you say it so simple, i wanna see you try taking down the light heavyweight chapion of ufc who never ever lost a round in the ufc ever. lets see you do it, dick.

Oh and dont forget Lyoto had to rehabilitate his legs after that fight.

All shogan showed was that he was fitter and not a better fighter. Leg kicks aren’t enough. I know all the internet warriors, will disagree. I am a BJJ Black belt Thai Boxer, but am realistic.

I was wrong, lyoto won. I really was wrong.

Machida clearly won that fight, it was like a chess game he was giving the ribs cage to get the chin and he got it at least 90% of the times.At around 1:20 of the second round he almost knocked down Rua and all they are screaming about is the kick by Rua.
If Rua’s kick were so great why wasnt he able to land more then one at a time,he wasnt because every time he was getting a straight left to the chin that would send him backward.
Do you think that a solid warrior like Rua looses balance on a circular kick. He wasnt loosing balance he was hit straight to the chin.
Rua more agressive and ring control…
Make me laugh
Machida was dictating Rua’s agression just like a bullfighter.
He was doing so by feet placement.The only time Rua would sucesfully strike is when Machida had the outside foot so when he would come in, Machida was landing a straight left.And if the foot placement wasnt to Machida advantage he would back off and let Rua swing for nothing
And to see all that look at the fight in slow motion Because at normal speed some punches you dont even see.

It is undoubtedly the most poor unanimous decision that one can give. I think that the referees were bribed prim and proper by Machida Gang…..The time has come when Dana should stop repudiating other fight forums and concentrate more on rectifying his panel of judges….time to introspect….Mr. Dana White…..wake……up:(

I have watched this video both with and without sound and there is a vast difference. I urge you all to try it because Joe Rogan definitely over emphasizes many of Shoguns attacks. It makes you feel like everything that Shogun is doing is more intense and effective. I have never questioned Joe Rogans commentating abilities until this point but his style can seem biast at times during this fight. I think he should continue commentating but i beleive that some times it must be hard not to like one fighter more than the other. I have nothing against Shogun and i believe he is a great fighter. I admire both his and Machida’s styles. They are both very different fighters. Shogun is quite aggresive when compared to Machidas patient and mature approach. I feel that Machida did enough to win this fight. Shogun came with an effective game plan that certainly challenged Machida but didn’t cause any lasting damage. He was patient and i beleive that was a key to his sucess compared to other fighters that have fought Machida before. Another 5 rounds and Shogun still wouldn’t have finished Machida. Then again Machida didn’t land many harsh blows but continued his unique style and aimed to pick off Shogun whenever he could. It was a close fight and i would love nothing more than to see a rematch. You can look at this fight whichever way you want but when i turn the sound off, through my eyes i can see that the judges have made the correct decision. I further beleive that to be a champion you have to beat the champion. Leg kicks are a good strategy but they won’t win you fights.

I have seen this fight many times, becuase i love both of these fighters. shogun did land alot of leg kicks, and did execute a brilliant game plan, however machida landed more brutal shots such as left hands to the face and powerful knees. machida won the first 3 rounds, but lost the last two. the impressions are also different from their respective styles. karate is alot more quite and patient, while muay thai is more conspicuous (coaches ‘yaying’ whenever a kick lands). also both commentators have no objectivity, very shogun biased. so with the quite and conservative karate aspect, along with biased commentating, with the last two rounds for shogun in a very close fight gives the imrepssion that shogun one. i believe to defeat a chapion, you must do it in an undisputable fashion…this is my opinion.

MMA is turning into boxing because of increased popularity = MONEY.
Couture vs. Vera is only confirmation. UFC is a show!
Hope Strikeforce and Japanese can live up to some standard.

man y there are still idiot in here who would think that machida win…Shogun is controling the game and the argressive one most of the times machida attack got block by shogun …and the 2R if shogun goes for the kill after the hard body kick he would win the fight but he stick to his game plan which is controling the fight. if some of you guy don’t beleave me just watch the fight again keep ur eyes open for the 2R
machida got kick hard that he almost fell to the floor..

LMAO there is a sad person who used my forum name to make me look gay. What a loser. Some ppl are just ready to do anything to defend the piss drinker lyoto machida hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha the supidity of some ppl just makes me laugh. Mr unibrow got his ass kicked, and that’s all there is to it.